tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post6422253266111325247..comments2022-12-11T02:07:29.510-08:00Comments on Magisterial Fundies: Discussion on GeocentrismRick DeLanohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06675522207482535734noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-85251837768811692912012-01-19T12:05:23.314-08:002012-01-19T12:05:23.314-08:00James, again I have been thinking about your posts...James, again I have been thinking about your posts here.<br /><br />It is certainly true that we depend absolutely upon Our Saviour for any good work we can possibly hope to accomplish, and if that is the gist of your meaning, then we are in perfect agreement.<br /><br />However, as Thomas Aquinas memorably taught us, we must refute the enemies of the Faith *on their own chosen ground*.<br /><br />We must do this precisely because our Holy Faith teaches us that, while Faith is above Reason, there can never be any real contradiction between Faith and Reason.<br /><br />If an atheist or naturalist wishes to propose a falsification of a doctrine of the faith on materialist grounds, then he must be refuted, at least to the extent of showing an alternative explanation of the observations exists, on precisely those grounds which he chooses.<br /><br />Once this is accomplished, then the discussion should, of course, proceed to the relative merits of the metaphysical world views which underlie the two interpretations of the data.<br /><br />From this, we proceed, finally, to the question of the highest and most certain form of knowledge; that is, Revelation, and its logically necessary deductions derived from theology.Rick DeLanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06675522207482535734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-59070470618994503442012-01-17T12:45:15.520-08:002012-01-17T12:45:15.520-08:00Cont.
Further on St. Bellarmine tells us that &quo...Cont.<br />Further on St. Bellarmine tells us that "we are surrounded by enemies, who hate nothing more than the extension of the Church." If we confide in ourselves in trying to protect the truth once established our efforts will surely be in vain. Therefore, let us never fear to acknowledge our utter reliance (and confidence!) in all things, on our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-62259400460891831242012-01-17T12:44:14.271-08:002012-01-17T12:44:14.271-08:00As to your last sentence Rick, where there is a fu...As to your last sentence Rick, where there is a fundamental disordered/backwards thinking reflecting an erroneous inverse set of values (i.e., good is evil and evil is good) the choice becomes that of God spelled backwards (dog) or multiverse. Then the choice is rather easy -- a multiverse over a dog any day! (A microchip in the hand or forehead -- sure, why not -- buying and selling over a dog any day!) <br /><br />Interesting it is how some intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals will allow themselves to be easily blinded in a speculative, hypothetical, or theoretical way, but not in a practical way. In the abstract they will even go so far as to deny the most basic of every day principles, that of the law of non-contradiction as they seek to relativize truth, itself. Yet, at the very same time on a practical level they will consistently adhere to the law or principle of non-contradiction as shown by the fact that they consistently open a door (if it is closed) rather than try to walk through it. They always pour gas into their car and water into their mouth, never the reverse (unless the radiator level goes down :-). The more important concern, however, is (or at least should be) what they are pouring (or not pouring!) into their minds.<br /><br />As for the false premise of the existence of multiple universes, that will, of course, inevitably lead to the false conclusion that our geocentric universe (if that ever be agreed to) is not really important in the "big" scheme of things and certainly does not necessarily point to the existence of God who placed us at its center. The false premise of multiple universes will also help immensely to bolster the frog to prince evolution fairy tale.<br /><br />The battle for the establishment and the spreading of the truth of geocentrism is in a certain sense a battle for the minds and hearts of people. The battle is intricately tied to the battle for souls, the battle for eternal salvation. The fact that this connection between the two battles seems to be so rarely perceived, and even much less publicly acknowledged, does not in any way diminish its truth.<br /><br />I would submit that the battle for the establishment and dissemination of the truth of geocentrism is a spiritual battle even more than a natural battle. I would further submit that if we do not see this we are proceeding in a mode akin to those who wish to fight the evils of the world without recognizing the existence and workings of the devil. The devil being the "father of lies" is lurking out of the sight of many, but we can be assured that it is he who is in the forefront of fighting against the spreading of the truth of geocentrism because he obviously knows the implications of what the acceptance of that truth would mean.<br /><br />In this regard as we continue in the battle to spread the truth of geocentrism, it is very well and very important to recall the words of Scripture: "Unless the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it. Unless the Lord keep the city, he watcheth in vain that keepeth it." (Psalms 126:1) St. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine to whom the great 2 volume work Galileo Was Wrong: The Church is Right is dedicated has provided us a lengthy and most wonderful commentary on this passage. It is too long to quote in its entirety here. Suffice it to say that he recalls the words of our Lord: "Without me you can do nothing." Also, he reminds us the importance of God by way of his comment on the admonishment that God gave to the Jews when they were trying to build the temple, "the work of man is of no value, unless God, the principal builder, be there to help them: and, therefore, that they should work not only with their hands, but also with their hearts and their lips, in invoking God, and confiding mainly in his help."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-21647560054061338852012-01-17T08:48:27.356-08:002012-01-17T08:48:27.356-08:00Stacy: Yes, I see it got through, and it probably ...Stacy: Yes, I see it got through, and it probably was the.....ahem....length :-)<br /><br />James- remarkably, your comment actually made it through on SciAm!<br /><br />It is interesting to see the comment thread addressing the implication of the Axis which even I rarely get far enough to address:<br /><br />the implication of an axis, of course, is that it involves something that must be rotating.........<br /><br />Now the Axis is not the universal axis of rotation in the geocentric model of course.<br /><br />It is, instead, the precise plane of its annual precession.<br /><br />All in all, the Axis is probably going to be kept pretty quiet for another couple of years or so, because the Planck satellite is now up and doing cosmology, and one of its primary tasks is to examine the Axis with a different scanning apparatus.<br /><br />This will provide a different set of data by which to check and verify the WMAP data.<br /><br />While nobody is talking do far about what Planck is seeing, I am of the opinion that Planck will confirm the Axis, and at that point there will be no way to keep it quiet.<br /><br />It will, I predict, become the straw that broke the camel's back for the Copernican Principle.<br /><br />A new worldview- a new metaphysics- is coming, for science, and for the rest of our culture.<br /><br />It will involve either a metaphysical multiverse, which means the end of science itself as a means of discovering universally valid physical principles......<br /><br />Or it will involve a frank admission that our universe proceeds from a Cause that cannot have been natural.<br /><br />In other words, we shall be faced with a choice between God and the multiverse.Rick DeLanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06675522207482535734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-73829253486519674752012-01-17T01:50:57.443-08:002012-01-17T01:50:57.443-08:00The expression "axis of evil" is certain...The expression "axis of evil" is certainly a rather interesting/curious one, especially from a traditional Christian perspective where evil is defined as a lack of a good. For those who properly adhere to the traditional Christian doctrine of geocentrism the so called "axis of evil" is actually a good thing not an evil thing because it is evidence of a truth and thus not lacking of a good, but rather supporting of a good.<br /><br />There is an interesting and quite recent article in Scientific American found at http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=universal-alignment which treats of the "axis of evil." I just left the comment seen below between the asterisks at the Scientific American site. I hope it is not removed! <br /><br />************************************************<br /> 20. AMDG4E <br />04:21 AM 1/17/12<br />It is no wonder that there is not much discussion in the popular press about what this article refers to in its second paragraph as the "axis of evil." Why? Well, the answer lies in the very nature of what this expression refers to. It is the extraordinary alignment in the CMB found in 2005 by Joao Magueijo and Kate Land. This alignment which has not been explained away by any known systemic error in observation and which has been confirmed over and over by scientists since 2005 shows an astounding, but nevertheless quite unambiguous contradiction to the standard Big Bang inflationary cosmological model. Also, the chances of this alignment being one of random coincidence is extremely small, so small in fact as to be utterly laughable. At the same time the alignment (aka: "axis of evil") is an incredibly strong and compelling piece of evidence pointing to a geocentric universe!<br /><br />It is this concrete scientifically observed gigantic piece of a cosmological jigsaw puzzle which is serving to build an ever stronger case for geocentrism that has many modern cosmologists/astro-physicists scrambling for answers. Can you blame them? Geocentrism, if established as the reigning cosmological paradigm would completely overturn their modern scientific apple cart. The ramifications of this would reach well beyond the halls of academia and professional research labs. In short a geocentric universe would mean that the secular priests of science had got it wrong on the most basic issues of science and their much vaunted world of Einstein et al science would come crashing down like a house of cards.<br /><br />But, why then exactly would the axis be called "evil?" I can do no better than to quote Dr. Robert Bennet (Ph.D. in General Relativity), the co-author of Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right (www.galileowaswrong.com), probably the most comprehensive and detailed scientific treatise on the issue of heliocentric versus geocentric cosmology ever offered to the public. He states in Chapter 10 of said book: "Because it represents a return to the forbidden days of five centuries ago, when all science was geocentric/geostatic. It is the plain indication of an inherently inhomogeneous and anisotropic universe."<br /><br />This is simply beyond the pale for so much of the scientific world. Geocentrism is by philosophical pre-disposition absolutely unacceptable for a great many scientists. For them, heliocentrism along with the Copernican and Cosmological Principles are sacrosanct. They are to be accepted with a blind faith!<br /><br />James Phillips<br />************************************************Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5506003065843965231.post-63294657871119204582012-01-17T00:17:39.521-08:002012-01-17T00:17:39.521-08:00Sorry, I let it out of jail! Must have been the le...Sorry, I let it out of jail! Must have been the length???Stacy Trasancoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14638075878905614981noreply@blogger.com